Impodimo Game Lodge

5.0 star property
All-inclusive lodge with a full-service spa and free breakfast

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Outdoor pool, pool umbrellas, sun loungers
Deluxe Suite | Living area | Fireplace, books
Lobby sitting area
1 bedroom, premium bedding, minibar, in-room safe
Exterior

Reviews

9.8 out of 10
Exceptional

Popular amenities

  • Pool
  • Bar
  • All inclusive
  • Room service
  • Spa
  • Breakfast included

Explore the area

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Wonderboom Gate, Ramotshere Moiloa, North West, 2874
  • Place, Wonderboom Gate
    ‪7 min drive‬
  • Place, Kopfontein Border Post
    ‪19 min drive‬
  • Place, Gaborone Game Reserve
    ‪41 min drive‬
  • Airport, Gaborone (GBE-Sir Seretse Khama Intl.)
    ‪59 min drive‬

Room options

Luxury Suite

  • 495 sq ft
  • 1 bedroom
  • Water view
  • Sleeps 3
  • 1 King Bed OR 2 Twin Beds

Deluxe Suite

  • 1238 sq ft
  • 1 bedroom
  • Water view
  • Sleeps 6
  • 1 King Bed, 2 Twin Beds and 1 Large Twin Sofa Bed

About the neighborhood

Ramotshere Moiloa

Located 1.3 mi (2.2 km) from Wonderboom Gate, Impodimo Game Lodge is within a 15-minute drive of Kopfontein Border Post. This 5-star lodge has 10 rooms and welcomes guests with free breakfast, a full-service spa, and an outdoor pool.

What's nearby

  • Wonderboom Gate - 7 min drive - 1.4 miles
  • Kopfontein Border Post - 19 min drive - 9.3 miles
  • Gaborone Game Reserve - 41 min drive - 21.8 miles
  • University of Botswana - 43 min drive - 23.2 miles
  • Botswana National Stadium - 45 min drive - 23.6 miles

Getting around

  • Gaborone (GBE-Sir Seretse Khama Intl.) - 102 min drive

About this property

Impodimo Game Lodge

All-inclusive lodge with a full-service spa and free breakfast
Guests staying at Impodimo Game Lodge enjoy access to a full-service spa, an outdoor pool, and free WiFi in public areas. You can take advantage of free parking, along with an airport shuttle (available 24 hours) for ZAR 5900 per vehicle one-way. The front desk has multilingual staff that can help with securing valuables and luggage storage. Other amenities at this all-inclusive lodge include a free kid's club, coffee/tea in a common area, and a library.
Guests can stay connected with free WiFi. Beds are dressed in premium bedding and bathrooms offer deep soaking tubs, hair dryers, and free toiletries. Fireplaces, furnished balconies or patios, and minibars are other standard amenities.
Guests can experience the thrill of a safari, and take advantage of an outdoor pool.

The recreational activities listed below are available either on site or nearby; fees may apply.

The onsite spa has couples treatment room(s). Services include Swedish massages and body treatments.

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Property amenities

Internet

  • Available in all rooms: Free WiFi
  • Available in some public areas: Free WiFi

Parking and transportation

  • Height restrictions apply for onsite parking
  • 24-hour roundtrip airport shuttle on request for a surcharge
  • Free self parking on site

Food and drink

  • Free continental breakfast available daily 9:00 AM to 11:00 AM
  • A bar/lounge
  • A coffee shop/cafe
  • A restaurant
  • Coffee and tea in common areas
  • Couples/private dining
  • Free daily manager's reception
  • Snack bar/deli

Restaurants on site

  • Impodimo Game Lodge

Things to do

  • Books
  • Free children's club
  • Full-service spa
  • Game drive
  • Game viewing
  • Hiking/biking trails
  • Library
  • Outdoor pool
  • Outdoor pool (guest access)
  • Safari
  • TV in common areas

Family friendly

  • Children's games
  • Free children's club
  • Free supervised activities for children
  • In-room babysitting (surcharge)
  • In-room crib
  • Laundry facilities
  • Outdoor pool
  • Separate bedroom
  • Snack bar/deli

Conveniences

  • Gift shop/newsstand
  • Guidebooks
  • Laundry facilities
  • Limited-hour front desk
  • Luggage storage
  • Safe at front desk

Guest services

  • Housekeeping (daily)
  • Multilingual staff
  • Turndown service
  • Wedding services

Outdoors

  • Barbecue grill
  • Firepit
  • Garden
  • In a national park
  • Outdoor furniture
  • Pool loungers
  • Pool umbrellas
  • Terrace

Full-service spa

  • Body treatments
  • Couples treatment rooms
  • In-room massages
  • Swedish massages

Accessibility

  • If you have requests for specific accessibility needs, please contact the property using the information on the reservation confirmation received after booking.
  • Doorbell and phone notification
  • Handrails in stairways
  • Lever door handles
  • No elevator
  • Phone accessibility kit
  • Visual fire alarm

More

  • Built in 2003
  • Communal living room
  • Designated smoking areas
  • Eco-friendly cleaning products used
  • Fireplace in lobby
  • Mosquito nets
  • Reception hall

Room amenities

Bedroom

  • Blackout drapes
  • Free crib
  • Hypo-allergenic bedding
  • Premium bedding

Bathroom

  • Bathrobes
  • Deep soaking bathtub
  • Free toiletries
  • Hair dryer
  • Private bathroom
  • Separate bathtub and shower
  • Slippers
  • Towels provided

Food and drink

  • Champagne service
  • Coffee/tea maker
  • Free bottled water
  • Limited room service
  • Minibar

More

  • Air conditioning
  • Connecting rooms available
  • Eco-friendly toiletries
  • Electrical adapters
  • Fireplace
  • Heating
  • LED lighting
  • Phone
  • Safe

Policies

Check-in

Check-in start time: 2 PM; Check-in end time: 9 PM
Minimum check-in age: 18

Check-out

Check-out before 11 AM

Special check-in instructions

This property offers transfers from the airport (surcharges may apply); guests must contact the property with arrival details before travel, using the contact information on the booking confirmation
The front desk is open daily from 7:00 AM - 10:00 PM
Guests must contact the property in advance for check-in instructions; front desk staffed during limited hours
This property doesn't offer after-hours check-in
To make arrangements for check-in please contact the property at least 48 hours before arrival using the information on the booking confirmation
Guests driving to the property should contact this property in advance (e.g., directions)
For any questions, please contact the property using the information on the booking confirmation
Guests driving to the property from Johannesburg can expect a delay of 1 hour or more due to road construction.
The property's front gate closes between 9 PM and 6 AM. Guests cannot enter or leave the property during this time.

Access methods

Front desk (limited hours)

Pets

  • This property doesn't allow pets or service animals

Children and extra beds

  • Up to 2 kids 2 years old and younger stay free when using existing bedding
  • Free cribs/infant beds are available

Property payment types

Important information

Fees

You'll be asked to pay these charges at the property:

  • Destination fee: ZAR 165 per person, per night. This fee does not apply to children under 2 years of age.

These are all of the charges provided to us by the property.

Optional extras

These fees and deposits will be charged at check-in, check-out, or the time of service.

  • Airport shuttle fee: ZAR 5900 per vehicle (one-way, maximum occupancy 2)

This list may not be comprehensive. Fees and deposits might not include tax and are subject to change.

You need to know

Extra-person charges may apply and vary depending on property policy
Government-issued photo identification and a credit card, debit card, or cash deposit may be required at check-in for incidental charges
Special requests are subject to availability upon check-in and may incur additional charges; special requests cannot be guaranteed
The name on the credit card used at check-in to pay for incidentals must be the primary name on the guestroom reservation
This property accepts credit cards, debit cards, and cash
This property uses a grey water recycling system and eco-friendly cleaning products
Safety features at this property include a fire extinguisher and a first aid kit
This property has outdoor spaces, such as balconies, patios, terraces which may not be suitable for children; if you have concerns, we recommend contacting the property prior to your arrival to confirm they can accommodate you in a suitable room
Please note that cultural norms and guest policies may differ by country and by property; the policies listed are provided by the property
  • Check-in: 2 PM—-9 PM
  • Check-out: 11 AM
  • Minimum check-in age: 18
The front desk is available during limited hours. For convenient arrivals and departures, you can take advantage of the airport shuttle (available 24 hours), which is offered for a fee. Driving? This property offers free parking.

We should mention

Details about charges, deposits, or other important information:

  • This property is managed by a professional host. The provision of housing is linked to their trade, business, or profession.
  • This property has outdoor spaces, such as balconies, patios, terraces which may not be suitable for children. If you have concerns, we recommend contacting the property prior to your arrival to confirm they can accommodate you in a suitable room.
  • Charges for extra guests may apply and vary depending on the property's policy.
  • A cash deposit, credit card, or debit card for incidental charges, as well as a government-issued photo ID, may be required at check-in.
  • Special requests are subject to availability at the time of check-in and can't be guaranteed. Certain requests may come with additional charges.
  • This property accepts credit cards, debit cards, and cash.
  • The credit card used at check-in for incidentals must be in the name of the primary guest who made the reservation.
  • This property uses a grey water recycling system and eco-friendly cleaning products.
  • Onsite safety features include a fire extinguisher and a first aid kit.

Additional information about polices, regulations, and more:

  • Registered guests are the only ones allowed in guestrooms.
  • Connecting or adjoining rooms can be requested, but all rooms are subject to availability. Contact the property using the phone number on your booking confirmation.
  • There are no elevators.
  • Parking has height restrictions.

National rating

Quality Graded by the Tourism Grading Council of South Africa (TGCSA) – South Africa's official quality assurance organization.

Property is also known as

Impodimo
Impodimo Game Lodge Ramotshere Moiloa
Impodimo Game Lodge
Impodimo Game Lodge Madikwe
Impodimo Game Madikwe
Impodimo Lodge
Impodimo Game Hotel Madikwe Game Reserve
Impodimo Game Hotel Madikwe Reserve
Impodimo Game Ramotshere Moiloa
Impomo Game Ramotshere Moiloa
Impodimo Game Lodge Lodge
Impodimo Game Lodge Ramotshere Moiloa
Impodimo Game Lodge Lodge Ramotshere Moiloa

Frequently asked questions

Are there all-inclusive options at Impodimo Game Lodge?

Impodimo Game Lodge is an all-inclusive resort and rates come with buffet and à la carte meals.

How much does it cost to stay at Impodimo Game Lodge?

As of Oct 19, 2025, prices found for a 1-night stay for 2 adults at Impodimo Game Lodge on Oct 22, 2025 start from $1,278.35, excluding taxes and fees. This price is based on the lowest nightly price found in the last 24 hours for stays in the next 30 days. Prices are subject to change. Choose your dates for more accurate prices.

Is a free cancellation option available at Impodimo Game Lodge?

Impodimo Game Lodge provides free cancellation on some room rates. For specific requirements, take a look at the cancellation policy on our site.

What can I see within easy reach of Impodimo Game Lodge?

This lodge is located in Ramotshere Moiloa, close to Wonderboom Gate.

Will I be able to park at Impodimo Game Lodge?

Yes, self parking is offered for free at the lodge.

Is there a spa at Impodimo Game Lodge?

There is a full-service spa available for guests to enjoy and services include Swedish massages, couples treatments, and body treatments.

Does Impodimo Game Lodge feature a casino at the property?

No, Impodimo Game Lodge doesn't have a casino.

Is there an indoor pool at Impodimo Game Lodge?

No, this lodge doesn't have an indoor pool; however, there is an outdoor pool.

Is Impodimo Game Lodge a good place to stay for couples?

There are many amenities for couples at this lodge, including a fireplace, Champagne service, and in-room massages.

Does Impodimo Game Lodge have a hot tub?

No, there isn't a spa tub at this lodge.

Does Impodimo Game Lodge feature a restaurant that includes a breakfast menu?

Yes, Impodimo Game Lodge serves free continental breakfast at Impodimo Game Lodge each morning.

Does Impodimo Game Lodge allow pets to stay for free?

No, pets and service animals aren't allowed at Impodimo Game Lodge.

Are there connecting rooms at Impodimo Game Lodge?

Yes, you can book connecting guestrooms at this lodge for your group or family vacation.

How close is the airport from Impodimo Game Lodge?

The closest major airport to Impodimo Game Lodge is Gaborone (GBE-Sir Seretse Khama Intl.), which is 27.7 mi away (102 minutes by car).

Are there rooms with balconies at Impodimo Game Lodge?

Yes, every guestroom at Impodimo Game Lodge comes with a furnished balcony with some featuring hill or water views.

Does Impodimo Game Lodge offer wedding services?

If wedding bells are in your future, take advantage of the wedding venue at Impodimo Game Lodge.

Impodimo Game Lodge Reviews

Reviews

9.8

Exceptional

Rating 10 - Excellent. 22 out of 26 reviews
Rating 8 - Good. 4 out of 26 reviews
Rating 6 - Okay. 0 out of 26 reviews
Rating 4 - Poor. 0 out of 26 reviews
Rating 2 - Terrible. 0 out of 26 reviews

9.8/10

Cleanliness

9.6/10

Staff & service

9.8/10

Property conditions & facilities

10/10

Eco-friendliness

Reviews

10/10 Excellent

Susanne G

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort

We could not fault anything.

My husband and I stayed 4 nights at Impodimo and loved every moment. We couldn't fault anything. The accommodation was wonderful, the staff was so helpful, the food was the best and the game drives were great and exciting. We saw all the Big 7. We couldn't ask for any better. Thanks Impodimo for the great experience.
Stayed 4 nights in Nov 2024

10/10 Excellent

Wihan

Traveled with group, Business traveler, Traveled with family
Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort

Impeccable

Impodimo is the most incredible South African Safari Experience. Don’t even bother looking elsewhere.
Stayed 4 nights in Jun 2021

10/10 Excellent

Eric

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort

Fantastic 3 Days

Literally cannot think of a single fault! Top class staff (special thanks to Kevin and Joseph, our Guide and Tracker), top class catering and top class accommodation. The only thing we didn't have which would have been nice was a private pool but that's being really, really selfish! The herd of 20+ elephants that wandered through the grounds on our last day was spectacular - we were literally standing 10 feet from them as they ambled past. The hide at the watering hole was amazing - we watched elephants, antelope, buffalo and warthogs all drinking just a few feet from us. On safari we saw all of the big 5 on our first day - including a leopard in the first 20 minutes. We saw dozens of elephants playing in a lake which was brilliant. Ask for room 1 which overlooks the watering hole! You can pay more for some of the other Madikwe lodges but I really can't think why you would! We would love to come back.
Stayed 3 nights in Feb 2020

10/10 Excellent

Joel

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort

Simply spectacular - was hard to leave

Absolutely phenomenal in every way. Our game range, Marie and tracker, Holiday, were outstanding. They showed true dedication and Marie spoke to us about each animal with such incredible knowledge and enthusiasm, which made the experience all the more enjoyable. The lodge itself is fantastic. You get real 5 star service, with excellent food and the location is second to none. The animals come right close to the lodge and really enhance the experience. We saw tons of animals, including all of the big 5 and we cannot wait to go back!
Stayed 2 nights in Feb 2019

10/10 Excellent

Samuel

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort

Great Lodge / Sightings in Madikwe

Declan was our ranger, and he was phenomenal, making sure we saw everything (big 5, wild dogs, hyena, kori bustard, etc.). All of the rangers and trackers are talented. Impodimo staff ensured my wife who has allergies (peanut, wheat) had plenty to eat at every meal. The admin, kitchen, and cabin staff were helpful. The cabins and lodges were clean and comfortable. Would recommend Impodimo.
Stayed 4 nights in Feb 2019

8/10 Good

Ivan

Liked: Cleanliness, property conditions & facilities, room comfort
Disliked: Staff & service
Fantastic lodge and facilities. Great guide and tracker. Unfortunately the male manager was disgustingly rude, obnoxious and insulting accusing us of trying to "sneak off " without paying and chased us down the highway, unbelievable !
Stayed 2 nights in Dec 2018

10/10 Excellent

Roger

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort

Great safari hotel

Great location. We had room 1 with a deck overlooking the waterhole where there was constant wildlife activity. The room itself was very well appointed.The safari tours were guided very well and we saw loads of animals. The staff generally were very friendly and attentive and the food was a very high standard. An excellent choice as a safari location.
Stayed 3 nights in Jan 2018

10/10 Excellent

Elspeth, Chalfont st Giles, England

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort

Small lodge with excellent rangers

We were fortunate to choose this game lodge and stayed for 4 nights in October. Our guide and tracker were exceptional and were able to find the big 5 with good viewings. In particular on this occasion we wanted to find leopard as we had previously missed out on these solitary wily cats but we were blessed with two sightings - once when the leopardess stepped out in front of our vehicle at night and on a second occasion hen spotted up a tree with her kill. we also made one long morning drive to view the wild dog pack - an endangered species. The lodge is delightful with pleasant staff and excellent food and is also abundant with wild life - animals and birds. It is indeed a gift from God.

10/10 Excellent

Verified traveler

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort

Fantastic Luxury Safari Experience

We stayed at Impodimo for 3 nights at the start of July for a fly in, fly out safari. The experience was incredible from the moment we were collected from Madikwe airstrip to the moment we left. The room was beautiful, spacious, clean and well equipped. We were lucky enough to have a view of the watering hole which provided all day entertainment from the balcony watching the baboons, elephants, buffalo and giraffe coming to visit. Our guide Declan and tracker Sam were brilliant, making us feel at ease and really personalising our experience over the 3 days to make sure we saw as much as possible during our stay. It was incredible to see them tracking the animals and working together with the other guides in Madikwe to ensure all guests in the reserve see as many animals as possible (note - not many lodges have trackers which sets Impodimo apart). We were incredibly lucky to see Lions, Cheetah, White Rhino, Impala, Giraffe, Baboons, Elephants, Zebra, Wildebeest and more in just 3 days. The Impodimo team also take great care in all of the little touches. Hot water bottles and blankets on the early morning safari drives, a lovely fire lit when you return at night, tasty complimentary drinks and snacks for the early morning and sunset stops on the game drive, delicious food at breakfast, afternoon tea and dinner, hot water bottles warming your bed at night and overall a really friendly relaxed atmosphere. We definitely recommend Impodimo and can't wait to return!

10/10 Excellent

Pierre-Luc, Johannesburg

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort
No fence in the middle of the reserve was amazing experience

10/10 Excellent

Andrew & Claire, Petawawa, Ontario, Canada

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort

Incredible!

We had a wonderful 4 night stay. We have pretty discerning taste but that was not a problem at this lodge - they are truly incredible! The staff are very attentive and tuned into guests needs. The schedule has some flexibility (which most other safari places don't) and our ranger Declan and tracker Sam were out of this world fantastic! We will most definitely be back!

10/10 Excellent

Verified traveler

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort

8/10 Good

Verified traveler

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort
The place was amazing and the staff was more than wonderful and polite. We were able to see lots of game during our two-day stay and had an amazing time with our ranger Patrick and our game companions. Only con is I wish the doors were sealed better to avoid having insects coming in

10/10 Excellent

yuval and laure, brooklyn

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort

Excellent

Outstanding experience. Safari was amazing, the rangers are very knowledgeable and passionate about conservation. The hotel is exquisite in terms of rooms, dinning and facilities. Tre staff were professional, friendly and a joy to interact with.

10/10 Excellent

Verified traveler

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort

Excellente service met geweldige gamedrives

Impodimo Lodge is een echte aanrader voor wie op zoek is naar een rustig, luxe verblijf met enerverende game drives. Wij zagen de big 5 in 1 tour! We waren zelfs zo gelukkig om een luipaard zijn prooi te zien opeten. Het eten is ook gewoon erg goed.
Stayed 3 nights in Sep 2018

10/10 Excellent

Verified traveler

Liked: Cleanliness, property conditions & facilities, room comfort

Mycket bra lodge och safari

Väldigt nöjda med både boendet och safari. Vår ranger Rowan och tracker Sam bidrog till att det blev en sån bra upplevelse, otroligt kompetenta och trevliga. Skulle varmt rekommendera Impodimo till alla som funderar på safari i Madikwe. De flesta som arbetade på lodgen var trevliga och service minded men av någon tråkig anledning var serveringspersonalen inte så trevliga och såg ofta sura ut. Förutom det var det en fantastisk upplevelse!

10/10 Excellent

Margret

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort

Tiere im Überfluß!

Wir hatten immer wunderbare Game-Drives, wo wir die Big Five alle gesehen haben.Allein 4 Leoparden,9 Nashörner und viele Löwen.Unser Guide Ruan war zwar nicht der gesprächstigste und auch nicht emotionsvollste ,aber er hat immer versucht die Tiere zu finden und die beste Postion zum Fotografieren.Unser Tracker Sam hat ihm dabei wunderbar geholfen.Das Essen war phantastisch! Am letzten Abend erhielten wir noch ein Ständchen von einer Angestellten.Wir dürften für die letzten 2 Tage noch in Haus Nr.1 umziehen,von wo wir einen tollen Blick auf das Wasserloch mit vielen Tieren hatten.Wir würden auf jeden Fall wieder dorthin fahren.
Stayed 5 nights in Feb 2018

10/10 Excellent

Verified traveler

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort

Comfort safari

Comfortable option for safari with high quality lodge and service. Great ranger to help and find all the animals. Highly recommended.
Stayed 3 nights in Jan 2018

10/10 Excellent

Verified traveler

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort

Africa feeling.

Tolle Unterkunft mit direktem Blick auf die Wasserstelle. Kompetente Guides, freundliche und zuvorkommende Mitarbeiter. Sehr schönes Reservat. Safarivehikel in oldstyle, ohne störendes Dach und hinderliche sidepanels wie mittlerweile z.B. im Kruger vorgeschrieben..

10/10 Excellent

Alice & Gian, San Marino

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort

Bella esperienza

Il costo non è basso.. Circa 400 euro a notte ma fare 2 notti qui è un'esperienza da fare! Ci sono 2 Safari al giorno uno la mattina è uno nel pomeriggio. Tutto il personale è gentile e competente. Le camere sono fantastiche e dotate di tutti i confort. Concedetevi questa esperienza non ve ne pentirete.

8/10 Good

Verified traveler

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort
camere spaziose con vasca e doccia sia interna sia esterna. salottino e patio.

10/10 Excellent

Guido, Piacenza

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort

Stupendo lodge nella Madikwe Game Reserve

Esperienza unica in un lodge da favola. Abbiamo soggiornato due notti e fatto due safari. Il personale è attento e disponibile, il cibo è eccellente e le camere sono confortevoli e pulite. Che chiedere di più?

10/10 Excellent

Verified traveler

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort

10/10 Excellent

Anne, Nantes

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort

Safaris

Des safaris d'excellente organisation, des guides très compétents, très pédagogues et de très bonne écoute. Les sites choisis pour les safaris très divers et très intéressants. Expérience inoubliable et fabuleuse.

8/10 Good

Iris, HDH, Ba-Wü

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort

Natur und Wildnis pur.

Kein Zaun um die Lodge. Deshalb spazieren Wildtiere wie Elefanten direkt an der Terrasse vorbei und können Aug in Aug beobachtet werden. Tolles Erlebnis. Big five wurden auf den morgendlichen und nachmittäglichen Ausfahrten aus nächster Nähe gesehen. Viel gelernt durch Erklärungen des rangers. Einziger winziger Nachteil: Erklärungen kamen meist erst auf Nachfrage.